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LimfiDate: Monday, 2011-08-29, 4:41 PM | Message # 1
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In the most multiplayer-games we say the word "noob"to a player that is new in game or not knows to play or we think that coz he cant win as its coz of this, so we say: "bb noob" etc.Its so funny the fact that this word now is a kind of insult and there are many examples of big arguments coz of this f**** word.But the thing that makes me more angry its this:WHY THE SKILLED PLAYERS ARE NOOBS OR HACKERS EVER ? I think that in the period we live every person wants him to be the "king" the number 1 and cares only about his/her self and every other person is an enemy and must be insulted or sth else ? ? ?
This is called: F A I L
Also,ok there are ppl who want to play and be the best,but on the other hand there are much ppl who play JUST FOR FUN and btw someone in every game is the good player and someone is the bad player and yeah this is the balance in all games i think...
Ehm ok,Here is what i say when someone calls me noob:Yeah sry im noob but i hope i will become like you : )
But you know what ? I AM BORED WITH THIS WORD !

Ok,i wrote this topic coz i want to hear your views about it..(am i so mad or you agree with me?)


I AM NOOB AND I AM PROUD !
 
DonSpeedyDate: Monday, 2011-08-29, 5:26 PM | Message # 2
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If I kill someone and he calls me a 'noob', I tell him that it's even more humiliating to get owned by a noob then by a pro, and if someone calls me a noob because I suck I tell him that I'm new to the game or I do in fact really suck.

On the contrary I don't insult people (at least not in chat / ingame) for being better then me or playing badly, and so far I can just recall me once calling someone a noob (it was in battlefield) because he really acted stupidly (reviving me 4 times infront of the enemy, which ended up like rezz - dead - rezz - dead - rezz - dead ... in 6 seconds ...). But I excused myself after I calmed down and felt very bad about it.
I guess it's a question of the person playing and their character, but yes, 'noob' has become a common insult tongue
 
TuralyonDate: Monday, 2011-08-29, 5:33 PM | Message # 3
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Word "noob" actually originates from "new by". People started using "new by" in a slang that turned into a "newbie". Later on, people changed the pronouncation into "noobie" (something like "mate" sounding like "m8"). After all of that, it got shortened into "noob".
The word "new by" was quite commonly used in old DOS games, where someone being new actually meant him being a bad, unskilled player (because games were actually pretty hard and you needed a lot of time to get good at it).
It's common experience that someone being bad at the game someone wants to be good at, is a bad thing. That's why the word "noob" is used in a bad sense. However, people like to use words that would insult someone else, if they feel emotionally bad themselves - that's why the word "noob" stuck. People started using this word as an insult, and people that didn't know the origin of that word, used it as an insult alone. That insult started to have a new meaning, which was "idiot", "retard", "bad" and many more.

When you see people that are not skilled enough in a game to tell the difference between someone being very good at the game or using cheats to their advantage, they will usually call you in the manner that makes them feel better - "hacker". Why is that so? Well, let's see how people see it.
Let's say you're a common person who plays a game (by common I mean average or not particularly educated and not that very high IQ). You will try to be good at the game you like. You kill one or two enemies and feel good at it, since you succeeded to kill them with your own skills. Now some random guy comes near you, and kills you in matter of seconds (in other words, he is very skilled and basically owned you). You feel frustrated, because you know that someone is better than you, in fact, a lot better than you. You feel bad by it, because your emotional response would be that you're not good enough.
Now, what would make you feel better?
  • Some people choose a way of insults, hoping that would insult the player and make him feel bad, as much as you feel bad (it's not good logic, but 70% of Multiplayer gamers use it - why it's not a good logic? Because "I feel bad, so others must feel bad for it as well" is never a good argument and never achieves anything). You can see a similar thing when playing games like World of Warcraft. When you're inside this game and desperately trying to reach the maximum level, you will constantly get attacked by higher level players of the opposite faction. And if you will ever take 2 minutes of your time to ask that player why he attacked you, when you were trying to enjoy the game by killing monsters, he will tell you "Because when I was leveling, someone else attacked me as well.". That logic is false, and no it does not justify your actions.
  • Some people choose a way of calling you a hacker. Why? Well, let's say a good player killed you - that would mean that you are not even close to his skill. But if you say he's a hacker, that means you don't have to deal with him being better - he simply hacked the game, but he's not better than you!

    Long story short, the only reason people insult each other is because they feel emotionally disturbed or bad themselves by other person's actions.
    Yes, it would be nice if people would stop insulting others, but what can you do? Raise the IQ of everybody by at least 20? Ask everyone who insulted you to have a 30 minute chat with you, so that you can explain your situation to him and hope he stops insulting?

    When someone calls you "noob" or an "idiot" or a "retard", the best way for you to do is ignore him. If he is persistent on calling you names, trust me, he won't bother typing anymore if you ignore him.
    If you get called a "hacker", ask him "Which hack am I using?".
    But if you enjoy people's bad emotions raging all around by them calling you "noob" and stuff like that, you can counter them with intelligence. By that, I mean, you can go grammar nazi on them ... or you can use educated insults back at him, such as "The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." or "For you to insult me, I must first value your opinion." any many others.
    Or use counters to your entertainment. Someone tells you "Fuck your mother", and you tell him back "She died 10 years ago" (even if she didn't, but it will force the guy to use another argument).

    Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong.
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    JilakoDate: Tuesday, 2011-08-30, 9:26 AM | Message # 4
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    Mmmmh, in my opinion, there is a difference between "noob" and "newbie". Noob being a person that is new, but also pretends to already master the game whereas a newbie is a new guy and he assumes it (in the meaning that he accepts help and understand that there are better players).
    *stares at answer* the size of my answer look pathetic compared to the previous ones..fuuuuuu, you hackers! all of you!


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    ArmedDate: Tuesday, 2011-08-30, 11:41 AM | Message # 5
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    For me calling anyone "noob" is for those, who don`t know how to say anything else.
    (Shortest message in topic :D)


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    Formless and vanquished we shall travel,
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    BambamDate: Tuesday, 2011-08-30, 12:07 PM | Message # 6
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    But if you enjoy people's bad emotions raging all around by them calling you "noob" and stuff like that, you can counter them with intelligence. By that, I mean, you can go grammar nazi on them


    Isn't that rather the style of a strawman argument, changing the topic of the discussion from "Who has the better playing skills?" to "Who speaks English better?"?


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    Message edited by Bambam - Tuesday, 2011-08-30, 12:08 PM
     
    FuzzDate: Tuesday, 2011-08-30, 1:51 PM | Message # 7
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    +1 to Tur.

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    TuralyonDate: Tuesday, 2011-08-30, 5:14 PM | Message # 8
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    Mmmmh, in my opinion, there is a difference between "noob" and "newbie". Noob being a person that is new, but also pretends to already master the game whereas a newbie is a new guy and he assumes it (in the meaning that he accepts help and understand that there are better players).

    That is your derivative of the word "noob", Jil. Same as other people use it to define an "idiot", you use it in a more intelligent, yet still not completely true way.
    Noob (1)
    Noob (2)
    You could read something about it on Urban dictionary, but that "dictionary" is based on people's opinions and experiences, so it's not as official as the first link.

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    Isn't that rather the style of a strawman argument, changing the topic of the discussion from "Who has the better playing skills?" to "Who speaks English better?"?

    No, it's called "Who can be a better troll?" argument. That's all there is to it, you're not proving anybody's point with your English corrections, you only make the guy more mad.


    Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong.
     
    JilakoDate: Tuesday, 2011-08-30, 5:41 PM | Message # 9
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    That's all there is to it, you're not proving anybody's point with your English corrections, you only make the guy more mad.

    You think it is dumb that people can feel humiliated because they've been killed by a guy with a dumb name such as "U gay" "I pro" or w/e, but you think it's normal they would go mad because someone correct their english? People making typos will often go "whatever" when you correct them, or think you're a smartass. Plus you will look like you're lacking arguments so you try to change the thread to the typos of the other person.
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    so it's not as official as the first link.

    And why wikipedia would be more official? Everybody can write whatever he wants in wikipedia, some things will last longer than others, but still everybody can. Also, what is worth better in this case? The saying of one or two persons on wikipedia, or the experience and opinions of a lot of people, in urban dictionnary?


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    TuralyonDate: Wednesday, 2011-08-31, 1:52 AM | Message # 10
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    You think it is dumb that people can feel humiliated because they've been killed by a guy with a dumb name such as "U gay" "I pro" or w/e, but you think it's normal they would go mad because someone correct their english?

    See, it's not the same situation. I'm not gonna go step-by-step as I usually do, but I'll bring the bigger picture out already - I will pretend or assume that you had lots of time to think about emotions and know what emotions actually are, so I won't waste my time trying to prove a point.
  • When someone thinks he is more humiliated because someone is using a nickname "U suck lol" and gets killed by him, that is not just a dumb fact, it even makes the person feeling those emotions dumb (and in this meaning I use the word "dumb" as an inexperienced poor sod, who doesn't have control over his own emotions).
  • Because of people like that, we also have people who actually use names like "U suck lol" in order to humiliate others. Now, in 95% or more, the reason for people using that kind of nicknames is because they know from their own experience that it hurts feelings. Which means either they are intelligent people who observe really well and understand human philosophy without having common experiences (which is about 1% of people that use it) OR they actually got offended by a nickname like that - which makes it even more dumb.
    And yes, we all went through that. If it wasn't from parents at age of 4, it was at school at age of 10 or highschool at age of 15. Either way, we've all experienced "names", some of us just find them dumb after 5th year of age.
  • Now let's see the correcting English. Every sane person who still has some value over the language, patience and self-awareness would try to correct another person for his lack of English knowledge. You can take it as a simple idea of good manner, but people will still think of it as a negative response. Even if you do try to offend someone by telling him his mistakes, you're still doing at least 300% a better job than the two points noted above this one.

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    People making typos will often go "whatever" when you correct them, or think you're a smartass.

    You ever thought (I mean really thought) why do they act the way they do? If someone really wouldn't care about someone correcting their mistakes, he wouldn't even bother typing back.
    People are filled with both subconscious and conscious bad emotions. Subconscious bad emotion response would look something like this (continue your ignorance):
    A: u suxx
    B: It's spelled "You suck."
    A: I know .. but still, u suxx!

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    Plus you will look like you're lacking arguments so you try to change the thread to the typos of the other person.

    I agree, some people do try to use grammar to prove their own point, but that's not even close to what I said in my first post.
    There is a huge difference (and people always notice it) when someone is intentionally correcting another person's mistakes in order to show it to them in an open field, and someone lacking arguments and retreating to his last resort.

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    And why wikipedia would be more official? Everybody can write whatever he wants in wikipedia, some things will last longer than others, but still everybody can. Also, what is worth better in this case? The saying of one or two persons on wikipedia, or the experience and opinions of a lot of people, in urban dictionnary?

    Actually Wikipedia never keeps a thread open unless it was discussed between the thread-opener, at least 4 moderators, an expert in the field and trusted members (for example people who have made their own threads in the past).
    After it actually becomes an official thread, people are free to edit it. However, every edition can be reversed by a simple "back" key by a moderator.
    Every new line (hell, even every new word or a comma or a "ó" instead of an "ò") is checked. If something doesn't fit, it gets removed. If something is untrue, it gets removed. If something is leading into a dead-end when it shouldn't, the thread is completely renewed and reposted from scratch.
    Of course there are mistakes on Wikipedia, but the only reason they are there is because no one got a more accurate edition posted yet.
    And you can also see the reviews, when it comes to English part of the Wikipedia, you will always find more text there than in any other language (unless it's a country-based thing). That is because people have the most common knowledge reviewed in English. I can assure you that threads like "Albert Einstein", "Cosmos", "Evolution", "Porn", "Eye", ... all the way to a simple stuff like translations, it was reviewed at least a million times.
    And when it comes to most used teenage words on the Internet such as "noob" and "gay", you can be well assured that even psychologists took the time to review its validity.

    Now speaking about Urban dictionary, it's the complete opposite. It's like a forum.
    EVERYBODY posts their own thoughts, and people vote for it. It's like watching YouTube's comments.
    "Metallica is the best!!!" being most rated comment on Grave Digger's video, doesn't make the comment true, it only has the most viewer's acceptance.
    A little gross, but a valid example:


    Comparing Wikipedia to Urban dictionary is like comparing a Python with a rabbit.

    Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong.
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    JilakoDate: Wednesday, 2011-08-31, 10:28 AM | Message # 11
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    Every sane person who still has some value over the language, patience and self-awareness would try to correct another person for his lack of English knowledge.

    You've already reduced the number of people by a lot. Also, you say "has some value over the language" yet you said
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    But if you enjoy people's bad emotions raging all around by them calling you "noob" and stuff like that, you can counter them with intelligence. By that, I mean, you can go grammar nazi on them

    So you do it to correct english and make people progressing, or to make him mad? Not everybody like to be corrected, but if you do it with people you know that they won't like it, then you do it only to make them mad, not to make them progressing
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    If someone really wouldn't care about someone correcting their mistakes, he wouldn't even bother typing back.

    People have their pride, their ego that can make them answering just to hav the last word, some others will answer just to keep a nice impression on others (if the place is full of idiots, you will not be supported and look like a smartass or whatever). Don't assume that everybody will act with reason or reporting to a scheme of feeling that you think normal. Not everybody have same feelings, there will be people that will not mind being corrected, some will get offended, some will simply don't give a damn etc..But in the end, if you don't give any other arguments but correcitng the other guy's grammar, then you have no argument at all even if you know you could give arguments. Also, trying to get other people mad by correcting their grammar won't help at all, even if you may find it funny.
    About wikipedia, a thread can be "official" at the beginning but then people can add anything to it and it can last until someone decides to correct it. That's why once i found a big "I LOVE SEX" in a thread on solar panels. So, anybody could add little things to a thread, making it wrong. Also, about threads such as Albert Einstein etc.., I think we can say that half of the views were made by school students for a homework about the life of Einstein and surely read only the introduction and it goes same for many other threads.
    Also, in the case of words used by a lot of people, what has priority? What has said 4-5 persons to give a meaning to the word, or what say thousands of people? Wikipedia can be nice to find details about laws, people etc.. But to find the meaning of a word, there will often be better things.


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    TuralyonDate: Wednesday, 2011-08-31, 4:54 PM | Message # 12
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    Every sane person who still has some value over the language, patience and self-awareness would try to correct another person for his lack of English knowledge.

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    You've already reduced the number of people by a lot.

    No, I haven't. What I stated here was that if someone were a sane person with those values, he would do exactly that - correct someone's mistakes.
    True, not many people are, but all I have said is that the act of doing so is right - one way or another - I'm not addressing people, but their acts.
    Exactly the same goes for your next quote. How people take somebody's acts is what defies their emotional response. When I correct friends with their English mistakes, it's in order to make them aware of it.
    But what I was trying to say is, that if you feel like making someone mad (people usually do it with insults), this is one of the ways you can do it - you're actually doing two things at the same time, correcting people's mistakes (even if that's not your agenda) and making them subconsciously feel bad if they're not ready to receive critics (which in most cases, people like we are referring to, don't).

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    People have their pride, their ego that can make them answering just to hav the last word, some others will answer just to keep a nice impression on others (if the place is full of idiots, you will not be supported and look like a smartass or whatever). Don't assume that everybody will act with reason or reporting to a scheme of feeling that you think normal. Not everybody have same feelings, there will be people that will not mind being corrected, some will get offended, some will simply don't give a damn etc..But in the end, if you don't give any other arguments but correcitng the other guy's grammar, then you have no argument at all even if you know you could give arguments. Also, trying to get other people mad by correcting their grammar won't help at all, even if you may find it funny.

    Again, you are merging two different issues at hand.
    First of all, people's ego, pride and the ones we discussed before are usually based on negative emotions. In this situation if someone who has an ego would try answering in order to achieve something (last word, better meaning, ...), it's usually because they feel a bad emotion pressuring them if they wouldn't answer.
    Of course people have different kinds of feelings, that's the reason you have so many different reactions to the same matter - yet most of them prove my point. Those that do not, are either ignoring the self-fulfilling issue, or they have a better reaction at the ready. And if it's the latter, than you can rest assured that that person won't bother calling you a "noob", "hacker" or an "idiot".

    And I'll answer your quote with one of my former quotes.
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    Also, trying to get other people mad by correcting their grammar won't help at all, even if you may find it funny.

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    But if you enjoy people's bad emotions raging all around by them calling you "noob" and stuff like that, you can counter them with intelligence. By that, I mean, you can go grammar nazi on them ... or you can use educated insults back at him, such as "The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist." or "For you to insult me, I must first value your opinion." any many others.


    Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong.
     
    TuralyonDate: Wednesday, 2011-08-31, 4:54 PM | Message # 13
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    About wikipedia, a thread can be "official" at the beginning but then people can add anything to it and it can last until someone decides to correct it. That's why once i found a big "I LOVE SEX" in a thread on solar panels. So, anybody could add little things to a thread, making it wrong.

    Yes, it can.
    But that "I LOVE SEX" line you saw was almost certainly made by a moderator, who was probably banned afterwards.
    However, most mistakes are corrected within 24 hours - that is speaking about non-popular threads. Popular threads obviously have corrections checked within an hour at least.
    There are mistakes in Wikipedia, yes, as well as there are troll attempts. But troll attempts are way uncommon and I am very surprised that you even managed to spot one.

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    Also, about threads such as Albert Einstein etc.., I think we can say that half of the views were made by school students for a homework about the life of Einstein and surely read only the introduction and it goes same for many other threads.

    Nope, I disagree.
    An estimation of an average Wiki page view per day is 50 million. "Albert Einstein" is probably the least viewed by people under 20 years of age (I estimate 30%), because he was a scientific celebrity and is therefore well researched on the Internet by other scientists and people that do lots of research. However, views have nothing to do with it, I was talking, and still am, about reviews.

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    Also, in the case of words used by a lot of people, what has priority? What has said 4-5 persons to give a meaning to the word, or what say thousands of people? Wikipedia can be nice to find details about laws, people etc.. But to find the meaning of a word, there will often be better things.

    Actually, on Urban Dictionary something is said only by ONE person, and other people vote for it, but it's not their idea.
    It's like an educated adult explaining a matrix to students. Students hearing about it before, but not knowing its full potential, will agree to the point where they understand it - if they understand fully what the person said about it, good for them. However, there is always a high possibility that another person (probably even a professor) with a higher education level would barge in a couple of minutes later and telling the students the fully researched potential of a matrix. After hearing out the professor, they would agree to his point more than the educated adult's, because it's more accurate, fits better and has positive experimental results.
    The point I am making is when people agree to someone else's idea, it doesn't mean the idea is valid. It takes multiple ideas combined together (if they are the same ones, even better!), in order to make it.
    Urban dictionary is based on people's thoughts of what the meaning means, and other people either agree or disagree with it.
    Whereas Wikipedia is based on official researches, ideas and books (including dictionaries). What people do after is use their own researches and ideas and add it to the system. If it's incorrect, it's removed. It takes work of at least million people (you always have "references" in the bottom of the page) in order to make a page like "Albert Einstein" where it is today.
    His site alone has over 60 different references, all official ones.
    Wikipedia is unofficial because it can be written by anybody who has direct access. However, 80% of the subjects there are excerpts from official sources. It's a compilation of multiple sources. Call it a database.

    If you are so sure that Wikipedia can be affected by random people, go to your school, access your computer (because it's not your IP), go to Wikipedia, delete a paragraph or add one, and see what happens.


    Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong.
     
    HellDate: Thursday, 2011-09-01, 3:49 PM | Message # 14
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    You are all noobs!!!1111one tongue
    Anywayz, you make a mountain out of a molehill xD Such a long discussion xD nuff said imo tongue


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    DeadmanDate: Thursday, 2011-09-01, 6:33 PM | Message # 15
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    You are all noobs!!!1111one

    Yeah HAX and hell is a Beach:O
    Btw if someone called me "noob" I Didnt even respond...Why I must explain new player how to play??He never ask.second situation is admin:P.They think im admin and I can use all "HAX","Wallhacks" and "CHEATER ADMIN!!!!".They never understand what is long jump.So that players always will be and we must agree that smile


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